(From an Interview of Francis Marion Gibbons conducted by Daniel Bay Gibbons September 26, 2001 in Salt Lake City, Utah)
St. Johns Town Life
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Wagons entering St. Johns |
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Patriarch Willard Farr (1856-1951) |
Town Celebrations on the Twenty-Fourth of July
I remember on the twenty-fourth of July there would usually be a reenactment of the arrival of Brigham Young into the valley. The children would be dressed up in pioneer attire and would have little wagons with covers on them, and we would march down Cleveland Avenue and enter the Church grounds and there we would have festivities all day. There would be races of different kinds. Three legged races. Regular races for different age groups. On one occasion I worked out a deal with Brother Farr,1 who was our Stake Patriarch. He had a little service station and sold some candies and canned goods. I took a box of – I think they were Baby Ruths – and I hawked them there on the grounds of the Church and I got one free candy bar for selling the whole box of candy. So there would be stuff to eat and drink. It was a very festive occasion which was always touched off early in the morning with a dynamite blast. Someone had the responsibility to go up near the Church building and set off a charge of dynamite, which could be heard all over the valley. And that was the signal for everybody to get up and get ready for the festivities. So, they were very special occasions and all the kids especially looked forward to enjoying that kind of an outing.
DBG: What other kinds of community life were there for the town – for the Ward?
Silent Movies in the Dance Hall
FMG: There was a hall. I guess it was intended originally as a dance hall. It had a stage. I can remember attending silent movies in that hall. My father, because of his status, had a special place for him and his family that was near the stove. They had a stove that would keep you warm. It was really very pleasant in cold weather to go there and sit near that stove and watch the show. Very often the kids would crowd down front near the stage. They’d leave their parents and go down front near the stage so they could see the show better. I can remember there were sockets for bulbs for the dramas. I remember that my cousin Rendol used to go down there and we’d like to stick our finger in that socket to get a little shock. It was really exciting. (Laughter) So we had that movie house.
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ASG's cousin Dodd Greer (left) and his sons were town musicians |
Town Musicians
There was a town orchestra that had been organized by the town barber, Jim Shreeve.2 So when there were dances, either in that hall or over in the High School, why usually Jim Shreeve’s orchestra would play. Later, when we moved out of St. Johns, I understand that Rendol and my cousin Calvin “Top” Greer,3 Dodd’s son, who was a fine musician, and Ez Thurber4 had a little band. They would provide most of the live music for the people in St. Johns for their dances and so forth. They used to go over – we called it the railroad – they’d go over to Sanders and Houck and several little towns there on the railroad, not far from Holbrook. And they’d go over there and play for their dances.
The Traveling “Bronson Players”
Also, when I was a boy there was a traveling group called the Bronson Players.5 There was a couple named Bronson who had dramatic ability and they had organized a little company. And they would travel around to these little towns. For example, they’d come into St. Johns and they had their own tent, and they’d set up the tent there on the triangular lot near the anchor of Cleveland Avenue, and they would stay there for a couple of weeks. They would have show every night except Sunday. I remember when they came into town they needed a lot of help to set up their tents, so the guys that were big enough could work for the Bronsons setting up their tent and they’d get free tickets. So we would go to those Bronson shows almost every night while they were in town.
DBG: Wasn’t there a little song that was played by the Bronson players?
The Bronson Refrain: “Diddle Town to Dawdle Town”
FMG: Yes. Yes. That song – at least the one I remember – went this way:
(Singing)
Diddle Town to Dawdle Town is eighteen miles.
From Dawdle Town to Diddle Town is eighteen miles.
From Diddle Town to Dawdle Town,
From Dawdle Town to Diddle Town,
From Diddle Town to Dawdle Town is eighteen miles.
(Laughter)
Advent of Radio in 1926
Then later, when we got electricity, which was I think in 1926 when I would have been five years old, then of course we had the radio. I remember the first radio that my father purchased. It was an Atwater Kent. We used to listen to it almost every night for a while.
“Amos and Andy” – Racist Attitudes in St. Johns
The children were permitted to stay up until Amos and Andy was over. That was the cutoff, when you’d heard Amos and Andy, then you had to go to bed. Of course it was a racist show. The Kingfish – “Buzz me, Miss Blue!” We never thought a thing about it. It was good entertainment. It was funny. And so we were raised with those racist attitudes.
Things Lost with the Coming of Radio
In any event, after electricity and the radio came in I guess we really lost a lot by that, because up until then you were on your own resources for entertainment. As a result, most of the families in St. Johns insisted that their children learn instruments. Now my sisters, LeVon and Pauline, both played the piano. We had a piano in our home. My brother Andrew played the horn – the bass horn. Rendol was very skilled as a musician. In fact that’s how he made his life. The Greer boys were fine musicians. And so you’d find in most Mormon families there was a lot of musical talent. So they would entertain themselves, and they’d get together with little groups. I mentioned my mother’s guitar club. They used to get together regularly and practice and then they would perform. So that was the nature of the entertainment.
Early Radio Programming
But, as I say, when the radio came in, why then too much we were glued to the radio. There was not a lot of programming, so that it was not a twenty four hour thing. But there were certain shows that we used to enjoy. They had a lot of dramas on radio. I remember there was a program called the Campagna Italian Balm. It was kind of like this Jurgens Lotion. This was a sponsor. And they’d have these mystery shows on the radio and all of the sound effects and what not. So the family would gather around the radio and really enjoy the drama of it. Then there was the Maxwell House Playhouse Theater, and so forth. That added a very interesting aspect to life
My Only Experience in “Trotting the Boards”
Then I’ve told you, I’m sure, many times about my only experience in trotting the boards. Rendol’s sister Leona6 put together this play and she roped Rendol and me into performing. She had us all dressed up in little suits and plug hats with canes. We performed in this little theater that I told you about where we had the silent movies. I still remember the song that Rendol and I sang together. It went:
(Singing)
While you’re gone
I’ll be good
Not because
I’m so good
But because
I’m Kar-AAAAAzy for you.7
(Laughter). And then it went:
(Singing)
While you’re gone
I’ll be nice . . .
And so forth and so on. So Rendol and I performed together under Leona Gibbons’ direction. And so there were these kinds of dramatic things that went on.
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Marinus Christensen, left, had
a dramatic flair and was a frequent participant
in St. Johns dramatic productions |
Grandpa Christensen on the Stage
My Grandpa Christensen was very much admired for his ability as a performer. He performed often in those little plays and dramas that were organized in St. Johns. I remember the one thing that I’ve heard my mother talk about many times. He played the part of a butcher. At one part in the play he had a ham and he was either on a park bench, or someplace, and he had that ham by him. And Uncle David was in the audience. There was a theft in progress. That ham was being stolen. And David stood up in the audience and said, “WATCH OUT PA, HE’S STEALING YOUR HAMMMMM!!! ” (Laughter). So Grandpa Christensen was very much in the midst of the entertainment.
DBG: Dad, tell me more about the Courthouse.
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Portico entrance to Apache County Courthouse |
The Apache County Courthouse
FMG: Father’s court was on the second floor of the Courthouse. On the main floor was the Clerk’s office and the Assessor’s office and the Sheriff’s office. And then in the back of the main floor was the jail. I remember the feelings I had when I would see that jail. It had a very forbidding appearance to me. But the prisoners were kept right there in the jail on the first floor of the Courthouse. You went up the stairs and on the upper floor was the courtroom, which you’ve seen. Then my father’s chambers were on the front of the building, or the north side of the building. Then the County Attorney had an office up there. And I think that’s just about all. I think the top floor was devoted to the Court. The courtroom, the chambers of the Judge, the County Attorney. In my father’s chambers was a rotating – I don’t know what you’d call it – it was a kind of a little library. He had his books that he was using there in that little carousel. So you could turn it around, so if you had a book on the other side he just turned this carousel and there was the book right in front of him. I remember as a little kid it was quite exciting to turn that carousel, which I didn’t do often because he didn’t like it. That was one of the features of his chambers. So he could go right from his chambers to the bench. I neglected to mention, there would have been an office up there for the Court Reporter and his Bailiff and what not. I was really too young to appreciate my father’s role as the presiding officer of that Court. I had a very childlike perspective. I was interested in things like this carousel with the books in, and things of that sort. There was a peculiar odor connected with that Courthouse. There were spittoons around – a lot of smoking that went on. As a result over a period of years the odors would accumulate. So the Courthouse had a very distinctive odor. A combination of cigarette, tobacco smoke, pipe smoke, cigar smoke and whatever. But to me it was an impressive building. I can recall the sense of reflected importance that I had because that’s where my father presided.
My Father’s “Good Life” on the Bench in St. Johns
I can envision that my father had a really good life there. He had an assured income, which was good for the time. He didn’t have any worry about money. The load was not heavy, and of course that accounted for the fact that he so often went out of St. Johns to preside in other courts. He was one of the prime movers in the construction of the St. Johns golf course, which was up on the bench adjacent to the “St. Johns International Airport.” (Laughter). So he liked to play golf. He liked to hunt. He liked to fish. I’ve been fishing with him. We used to go up to the Lyman reservoir and fish. Then I’ve told you about the outings when we would go up into the White Mountains and fish for trout. I was with him on one occasion on a hunting outing when they were deer hunting. So he had these outdoor activities; golf, hunting, fishing. He had the interest in this sheep herd and then a cattle herd. He was an investor. Never made any money out of it but, you know, he’d like to go out and watch them dip the sheep and brand. I can remember going with him to watch them brand the young heifers. So this was a nice outing for him. As I say, he always had a nice car. So it was kind of the Life of Riley,8 really.
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Judge A.S. Gibbons |
My Father Returns to Law Practice at Age Fifty
For that reason I have always really admired my father for having left that rather cloistered – carefree in a sense – life to go down to the big city, Phoenix, the capital of the State and to go into the practice of law at age fifty. Now he’d been County Attorney for a year or two, but he’d never really practiced law. I’m sure that it was traumatic for him. At the same time I’m satisfied that it gave him a good feeling that he went from the bench to the practice of law and excelled.
Harmony Between Jews, Mexicans, Mormons and Indians in St. Johns
So really in my earliest life in St. Johns I lived a very sheltered, secure, uncomplicated life there with my family and enjoying the opportunities of the Church. It was an unusual community, especially when you introduce the Jews into it. The Barths9 and the Schusters.10 So you have the Jews, the Mexicans, the Mormons all thrown together in that little community. The Catholics and the Mormons. And we all lived in peace. The days of the antagonisms between the two communities had subsided.
DBG: Also, you had three – actually four Indian tribes within a short distance.
FMG: Oh yes.
DBG: Zuni, Hopi, Navajo and Apache.
FMG: Yeah. The town was really ringed by the Indian tribes. Because of my father’s position he had a lot of Indians in his court. You know all about Emo and Prescott.
DBG: Tell me more about Emo and Prescott.
Our Navajo Friends, Emo and Prescott
FMG: Emo and Prescott were Navajos. They had been in my father’s court for some reason, I don’t know. He had made their acquaintance. He knew of their agricultural skills. So he hired them every Spring. They’d come over from the Reservation to St. Johns and set up in the wash house and they made that their home while they were there. They would sleep there. Then during the day they would plow and plant the garden and get everything in ship shape. They always brought little trinkets with them. I remember they brought a bow and arrow on one occasion and little jewelry trinkets and what not. They always had something for us. Both of them put up their hair in little buns on the back, and I remember one and maybe both of them had rather colorful little things that they put over the knot of the hair in the back. They always had a – they didn’t stink, but they had a distinctive odor about them, and it was really rather pleasant. They were very friendly until Andrew played his joke, and that was the end of our relationship. But it was a very interesting thing to have Emo and Prescott come and spend a few days with us, maybe a week or so getting everything in ship shape and then they’d go.
DBG: What was Andrew’s joke?
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Andrew Smith Gibbons, Jr. and Francis M. Gibbons
The two sons of Judge A.S. Gibbons and Adeline Christensen Gibbons
Photo taken in Salt Lake City about 1965 |
Andrew Plays a Joke on Emo and Prescott
FMG: Well, he had a magneto.11 He hooked it up to the stove in the wash house. Then he positioned himself where he could see their reaction. And they came in one evening after they had finished their work and Andrew was there at the window watching and he give it this [cranking motion] with the magneto and it caused the pans on the stove to shake and move. They were terrified and ran out of the wash house and wouldn’t go back in. Mother found out what had happened and so she called my Dad immediately. My Dad came down from the Courthouse and he demonstrated to them what had happened, but that didn’t make any difference. They were convinced that the Gibbons wash house was beset with evil spirits and they wouldn’t go back in. They spent the night outside and went home and never came back. Of course Andrew, who was fifteen years older than me, was just having a little fun and he didn’t have any idea that that would be the impact. That was the last of our relationship with Emo and Prescott.
1 Willard Farr: The Stake Patriarch in St. Johns during FMG’s boyhood. Born 5 July 1856 in Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory to Lorin Farr and Mary Bingham. He was called to be Bishop of the St. Johns Ward on 24 July 1887 at the age of 31. He succeeded D.K. Udall, who had just become the President of the new St. Johns Stake. He later served as St. Johns Stake Patriarch for many years before his death. His occupations included farmer, school teacher, and the owner and operation of a service station in St. Johns. History of the St. Johns Arizona Stake , page 153. On 13 October 1877 he married Mary E. Ballantyne, daughter of Richard Ballantyne and Mary Pierce. He arrived in St. Johns June 2, 1881. In 1894 he was elected probate judge of Apache county, and served in that position two years. Andrew Jenson, LDS Biographical Encyclopedia , Vol. 1, page 557. He served as Bishop from 1887 to 1894. Andrew Jenson, Encyclopedic History of the Church , page 733. Brother Farr also served two terms as St. Johns Stake Clerk: first from 1906 to 1912, and later from 1920 to 1928. Andrew Jenson, Encyclopedic History of the Church , page 732. Of his personal qualities, it has been noted: “Elder Farr is five feet ten inches in height, of rather slender build, and has brown hair and eyes. He is unpretentious in demeanor, humble and unassuming in all the walks of life, deliberate in counsel and does not jump at conclusions hastily.” Andrew Jenson, LDS Biographical Encyclopedia , Vol. 1, page 557. Apparently Brother Farr at one time had a home or farm in the Round Valley area, located on the Little Colorado River, about 20 miles below, or northwest of St. Johns. It was only a small village in which L. D. S. meetings were held in the school house. At a sacrament meeting held May 29, 1910, at this home of Patriarch Farr, the saints at Hunt and Concho were organized as a ward with Asahel H. Smith as Bishop. Andrew Jenson, Encyclopedic History of the Church , page 346. Willard Farr died 18 November 1951.
2 James S. Shreeve (1891-1962): Town barber. The shop, known as “Jim’s Barber Shop” was located on the “Whiting Block,” the main business district in St. Johns. See Wilhelm, A History of the St. Johns Arizona Stake, page 144. See also, St. Johns Cemetery records at: http://files.usgwarchives.net/az/apache/cemeteries/stjohns.txt
3 Irl Calvin Greer (1919-1995): FMG’s second cousin. Calvin was the son of Dodd L. Greer and Wilmerth Hazel Butler, and the younger brother of Lacy Camp Greer, the “real cowboy” with his own horse, whom FMG always envied as a boy.
4 A. Ezrel Thurber, Sr. (1882-1974): Confirmed FMG a member of the Church on 7 July 1929 in the St. Johns Ward, St. Johns Arizona Stake. Also known as “Pop” Thurber, he was the father of A. Ezrel Thurber, Jr., the future husband of FMG’s sister LeVon Gibbons.
5 The Claman Bronson Players: Traveling vaudeville company, active in Arizona during the 1920’s. The company would come into a small town for a period of a few days to two weeks, and perform a different show every night, thus encouraging people to attend night after night. The titles of the plays, gleaned from contemporary newspapers, are fascinating: “The Clodhopper,” “The Church and Its People,” “The Call of the North Woods,” “The Cowboy and the Girl,” “Jiggs and Maggie in a Mining Camp,” etc. The following newspaper articles from the period will give more detail about this company and how they operated:
From the Arizona Republic in Phoenix, December 17, 1921:
CLODHOPPER RETURNS TO ELKS
"Toby" comes back to the Elks theater today with a matinee at 2:30 and tonight at 8:15 in the smashing rural comedy-drama, "The Clodhopper." If you don't think that "Toby" has become immensely popular during his short stay in Phoenix Just try to get into the Elks tonight and then if you can't, take a friendly "tip" and make your reservations for Sunday to see the new play, "The Call of the North Woods," with "Toby" up in Canada. The Claman-Bronson company with "Toby" have made a decided hit. A pleasing feature of the Claman-Bronson players is that they give two complete shows in one a snappy drama and a rattling good vaudeville show. Either one could make good in itself.
From the Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt, in Miami, Arizona, December 24, 1921:
XMAS PRESENT—
What to give them? If you can’t decide what Xmas present to get your wife, mother, father, sister or the kiddies. Get them a season ticket. Let them come every night during Xmas week at the Unique theater to see "Toby” and the Claman Bronson company of players. The price is only 50c for the best seats, they will laugh and enjoy themselves and never forget it. They will thank you and you could not give them a more appropriate present.
WHO IS TOBY?—
Theater & amusement lovers In Miami should be delighted to know that they are to have the Claman Bronson company with "Toby” for the entire Xmas week at the Unique theater starting Sunday night, with entire change of play and vaudeville every night. Everyone in Miami will enjoy a good laugh! with Toby and soon everyone In Miami will know Toby and like, him. He will make you laugh and forget your troubles in every play that this company presents at the Unique during Xmas week. He'll drives away all your troubles and makes the world seem brighter. The Claman Bronson company is a capable one and comes highly recommended to Miami from Phoenix and other coast cities where they have appeared.
EXTRA SPECIAL! CHRISTMAS ATTRACTION UNIQUE THEATER
One Week Starting Sunday, Dec. 25 The Claman-Bronson Co., 12 Capable People, Including TOBY And the Famous Toby Quartette Direct From a Successful Stock Engagement at the Elks Theatre, Phoenix. HIGH CLASS VAUDEVILLE AND A REPER TOIRE OF THE BEST PLAYS “THE CLODHOPPER” “THE CHURCH AND ITS PEOPLE” “THE CALL OF THE NORTH WOODS” “THE COWBOY AND THE GIRL” “THE BARRIER” “WAY DOWN EAST” “SPUTTER” A Positive Riot of Fun PRICES ONLY 50c PLUS TAX Complete Change Each Night ONE SHOW EACH NIGHT At 8 p. in.—Doors Open 7:30 p. m.
From the Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt, January 3, 1921:
Real Flesh and Blood Play For People Of A Mining District
A rare treat, especially for the people of a mining district is promised in the four act comedy melodrama. “The Gambler and the Girl.” which is to be presented by the Claman-Bronson troupe at the Unique this evening. This evening’s play, otherwise entitled “Jiggs and Maggie in a Mining Camp,” is said to be replete in humorous situations and will undoubtedly appeal to all lovers of good clean comedy. The Claman-Bronson players, in their brief stay here in Miami have scored such a hit with local theater goers as is rarely accorded visiting stock companies. Through their excellent presentations of popular plays, their efforts have all been attended with large houses. They will stay in Miami for the remainder of the week, and their plays for the duration of the stay will include several that have made record runs in larger cities of the country.
From the Graham Guardian in Safford, Arizona, January 20, 1922:
NOW PLAYING Layton Hall EXTRA SPECIAL THEATRICAL ATTRACTION
Claman Bronson Players - 11 Capable People, including TOBY and the Famous TOBY QUARTETTE. Two shows in one Drama and Vaudeville DIFFERENT PLAY EACH NIGHT High Class Vaudeville Between Acts Admission Children 25c Adults 55c including tax.
6 Leona Gibbons: First cousin of ASG and contemporary of FMG and his sister Ruth. Born 22 January 1913 the daughter of Lee Roy Gibbons and Armitta Nicoll (Uncle Roy’s first wife). Leona had a twin sister who was stillborn. Married William Clayton Jenkins, Jr. in Washington, D.C. on 4 August 1934.
8 “Living the Life of Riley”: An oft-repeated phrase from FMG and ASG. Reportedly, it is an Irish-American phrase popularized during World War I.
9 The descendants of the brothers Solomon, Nathan and Morris Barth. Solomon Barth was a wealthy St. Johns resident. One of a family of wealthy businessmen, including his brothers Nathan and Morris Barth. The Barths were Jewish. Solomon came to America in 1855 as a boy of thirteen from his native Poland. He made crossings of the Little Colorado near the site of St. Johns as early as 1864 and operated a pack train, carrying salt from the Zuni Salt Lake to the mines in the Prescott area. In 1870 he secured a lucrative contract from the U.S. government to haul supplies for the Army from the railhead at Dodge City, Kansas to Fort Apache in the White Mountains. To help with this huge undertaking, Sol sent to Poland for his two brothers, Nathan and Morris, who came to join him and they all settled permanently in the area by 1873. These three brothers and their descendants dominated the commercial enterprises of the entire Little Colorado River basin for fifty years or more. See , History of the St. Johns Arizona Stake, page 20. Solomon’s sons Isaac and Maurice were both lawyers and became close friends and associates of ASG.
10 The descendants of the Schuster brothers, Adolf and Ben. Adolf Schuster was the principal of A & B Schuster Company in St. Johns. The Schuster brothers, Adolf and Ben, reached Holbrook about the time the railroad arrived and established a general merchandise store there. Like the Barth brothers, Adolf and Ben were Jewish. They later established the A & B Schuster Company store in St. Johns, a sizeable cattle ranch with headquarters at Cedro, and two farming projects, one in the Salado Valley and another in the White Mountains. See, History of the St. Johns Arizona Stake , page 307.
11 A magneto is a small generator with a hand crank, used in the earliest telephones, and could generate up to 100 volts or more of electricity, if cranked vigorously.